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	<description>It's all in the luck of the dice</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: old retired guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>old retired guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was running windows mail on Vista.  worked properly for months and months.
Received email from AT&#38;T saying their security enhancements were about to be enacted and as much as calling me an idiot for not heeding their numerous previous warnings.  Previous warnings of course were not sent to me actually.  This is like whispering "stop or I'll shoot".  

I have not yet downloaded the Microsoft service pack to Vista-that may cure some things, but so far, windows mail under vista does not function with at&#38;t required SSL.  

Heeding an AT&#38;T website note that Thunderbird is a supported email program, I have installed thunderbird and so far can not get that one to work either.  

I don't know how many are in the same boat as I, but it has to be thousands.  I could say misery loves commpany or re: AT&#38;T this company loves misery !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was running windows mail on Vista.  worked properly for months and months.<br />
Received email from AT&amp;T saying their security enhancements were about to be enacted and as much as calling me an idiot for not heeding their numerous previous warnings.  Previous warnings of course were not sent to me actually.  This is like whispering &#8220;stop or I&#8217;ll shoot&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I have not yet downloaded the Microsoft service pack to Vista-that may cure some things, but so far, windows mail under vista does not function with at&amp;t required SSL.  </p>
<p>Heeding an AT&amp;T website note that Thunderbird is a supported email program, I have installed thunderbird and so far can not get that one to work either.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many are in the same boat as I, but it has to be thousands.  I could say misery loves commpany or re: AT&amp;T this company loves misery !</p>
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		<title>By: Gadzooks!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadzooks!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I got the same notice from AT&#38;T re; my email client settings, ssl and ports. I am resistant to change the port settings, as Norton Internet Security 2007, which I use, only scans ports 25 and 110, the default client settings across the board, and not ports 465 and 995. So I changed the pop and smtp server addresses, but left the port and ssl settings unchanged. I can still use Outlook Express, BUT I keep getting nag emails from AT&#38;T. I strongly suspect it has to do with AT&#38;T routing all their email traffic through government data-mining servers, and the security of the gov. servers. It started about the same time their all to eager co-operation with the fed's illegal data-mining program was outed. It takes the email traffic out of the reach of programs that might keep track of email traffic through the traditional default ports, such as security programs used by many corporations, and keeps security programs like Norton from monitoring the security of incoming and outgoing email. I get very little spam. So far. I would not, however, doubt that AT&#38;T is selling us all to the highest bidder. They are criminals, one and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I got the same notice from AT&amp;T re; my email client settings, ssl and ports. I am resistant to change the port settings, as Norton Internet Security 2007, which I use, only scans ports 25 and 110, the default client settings across the board, and not ports 465 and 995. So I changed the pop and smtp server addresses, but left the port and ssl settings unchanged. I can still use Outlook Express, BUT I keep getting nag emails from AT&amp;T. I strongly suspect it has to do with AT&amp;T routing all their email traffic through government data-mining servers, and the security of the gov. servers. It started about the same time their all to eager co-operation with the fed&#8217;s illegal data-mining program was outed. It takes the email traffic out of the reach of programs that might keep track of email traffic through the traditional default ports, such as security programs used by many corporations, and keeps security programs like Norton from monitoring the security of incoming and outgoing email. I get very little spam. So far. I would not, however, doubt that AT&amp;T is selling us all to the highest bidder. They are criminals, one and all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.hmtk.com/archives/att-yahoo-changes-their-pop-email-system.html#comment-334807</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: AT&#38;T and Eudora email not working
Eudora users can check the "Eudora Forum" for information on how to set the Eudora properties so Eudora will work with AT&#38;T servers. The information offered there appears to have helped many users who are using Eudora 7.1.0.9 and earlier versions - and resolved the problem. I am a Windows Eudora 7.1.0.9 user on an XP computer. I carefully followed the instructions on the Eudora Forum and still got a daily message saying that I must make changes to my email client or I would not be able to use AT&#38;T service. On the "Eudora Forum" a post by Ziemba dated 6-21-2007 gave good instructions on how to set up Eudora properties. To find this post, do a search using "Eudora Success with AT&#38;T Yahoo SSL POP/SMTP servers". There is also a post in this Eudora Forum thread that has screen shots that show  how to accept SSL certificates.

After making the appropriate changes in Eudora properties boxes, my email worked for my AT&#38;T address but not for my 3 other emails that were hosted with a different web hosting company. After several days of trying to make this work, I finally discovered the problem. AT&#38;T is my ISP and a different company ipower.com is my web hosting company for 3 domain names. The problem was that my web hosting company server and the AT&#38;T servers were not talking to each other. The web hosting company was also in the process of changing to a secure server. This change began in October 2007 and 4 months later they were still changing customer accounts to the new server. One of the domain names was transferred to the new ipower.com server in late January 2008. When this occurred, the email for that domain came through with a yellow padlock icon showing in the connecting box that shows at the bottom of the Eudora screen when Eudora is told to get email. This was the clue. I called ipower.com and asked them to quickly migrate my other two domain names to their new secure server. The order request went through the next day. This totally resolved the problem. Both the non-working email addresses  came through showing the yellow padlock icon. the daily emails from AT&#38;T telling me to change settings stopped.

Before the problem resolution, I could get mail via Eudora if my AT&#38;T mail was also open at the same time. However, the email coming from the web hosting company was taking a long time to come through, and many times I got the message "connection timed out". This message was showing for 2 of the 3 email addresses that I had with the web hosting company -- and the yellow padlock indicating a "secure connection" was not showing for the two email addresses that were showing the  error message "connection timed out." These two email addresses had not been transferred to the new ipower.com secure server. 

Summary statement: If you are using AT&#38;T and are having a problem with your email software that is something other than Outlook, do a search with your email software name and version and the words "AT&#38;T Yahoo SSL POP/SMTP servers". You may find a user forum with instructions that will help you get your properties settings to work. 

If user forums instructions do not help, it is possible that if you are using an email address that originates from a non-AT&#38;T server, that the address may not work with the AT&#38;T server. AT&#38;T does have instructions on their site for setup for several types of email software. AT&#38;T absolutely will not help you with  Eudora and say that they do not support Eudora.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: AT&amp;T and Eudora email not working<br />
Eudora users can check the &#8220;Eudora Forum&#8221; for information on how to set the Eudora properties so Eudora will work with AT&amp;T servers. The information offered there appears to have helped many users who are using Eudora 7.1.0.9 and earlier versions - and resolved the problem. I am a Windows Eudora 7.1.0.9 user on an XP computer. I carefully followed the instructions on the Eudora Forum and still got a daily message saying that I must make changes to my email client or I would not be able to use AT&amp;T service. On the &#8220;Eudora Forum&#8221; a post by Ziemba dated 6-21-2007 gave good instructions on how to set up Eudora properties. To find this post, do a search using &#8220;Eudora Success with AT&amp;T Yahoo SSL POP/SMTP servers&#8221;. There is also a post in this Eudora Forum thread that has screen shots that show  how to accept SSL certificates.</p>
<p>After making the appropriate changes in Eudora properties boxes, my email worked for my AT&amp;T address but not for my 3 other emails that were hosted with a different web hosting company. After several days of trying to make this work, I finally discovered the problem. AT&amp;T is my ISP and a different company ipower.com is my web hosting company for 3 domain names. The problem was that my web hosting company server and the AT&amp;T servers were not talking to each other. The web hosting company was also in the process of changing to a secure server. This change began in October 2007 and 4 months later they were still changing customer accounts to the new server. One of the domain names was transferred to the new ipower.com server in late January 2008. When this occurred, the email for that domain came through with a yellow padlock icon showing in the connecting box that shows at the bottom of the Eudora screen when Eudora is told to get email. This was the clue. I called ipower.com and asked them to quickly migrate my other two domain names to their new secure server. The order request went through the next day. This totally resolved the problem. Both the non-working email addresses  came through showing the yellow padlock icon. the daily emails from AT&amp;T telling me to change settings stopped.</p>
<p>Before the problem resolution, I could get mail via Eudora if my AT&amp;T mail was also open at the same time. However, the email coming from the web hosting company was taking a long time to come through, and many times I got the message &#8220;connection timed out&#8221;. This message was showing for 2 of the 3 email addresses that I had with the web hosting company &#8212; and the yellow padlock indicating a &#8220;secure connection&#8221; was not showing for the two email addresses that were showing the  error message &#8220;connection timed out.&#8221; These two email addresses had not been transferred to the new ipower.com secure server. </p>
<p>Summary statement: If you are using AT&amp;T and are having a problem with your email software that is something other than Outlook, do a search with your email software name and version and the words &#8220;AT&amp;T Yahoo SSL POP/SMTP servers&#8221;. You may find a user forum with instructions that will help you get your properties settings to work. </p>
<p>If user forums instructions do not help, it is possible that if you are using an email address that originates from a non-AT&amp;T server, that the address may not work with the AT&amp;T server. AT&amp;T does have instructions on their site for setup for several types of email software. AT&amp;T absolutely will not help you with  Eudora and say that they do not support Eudora.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://www.hmtk.com/archives/att-yahoo-changes-their-pop-email-system.html#comment-164479</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the email you guys received came from spammers/hackers.  I recommend you change back your email servers to the old settings, because now they have the ability to see all your emails.  Is anyone getting duplicate emails?  I did not touch my settings and I'm still able to send receive long past the "supposed" deadline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the email you guys received came from spammers/hackers.  I recommend you change back your email servers to the old settings, because now they have the ability to see all your emails.  Is anyone getting duplicate emails?  I did not touch my settings and I&#8217;m still able to send receive long past the &#8220;supposed&#8221; deadline.</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone successfully used Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 with YPOPs! 0.9.5.1 on Windows? I'm trying to set this up for my legacy pacbell.net account but I can retrieve only new messages. Thunderbird/YPOPs is not giving me access to the Sent (and other) folders that I normally have access to on the YahooMail Web site. Thanks for any suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone successfully used Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 with YPOPs! 0.9.5.1 on Windows? I&#8217;m trying to set this up for my legacy pacbell.net account but I can retrieve only new messages. Thunderbird/YPOPs is not giving me access to the Sent (and other) folders that I normally have access to on the YahooMail Web site. Thanks for any suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received a notice of the mail server change from ATT several weeks in advance - I think one email notification 2 or 3 weeks prior and then another one. So I had plenty of notice. 

I use Outlook 2000 and had no problems. Well, I did end up with send mail problems a week after the change and worked with ATT who said they were resetting things (?!) to my router and such which didn't quite make sense to me. But I did end up turning off my wireless router which got things working again. 

When I tried to change the settings on my mom's Outlook 2002, could NOT get send mail to work. Could be Outlook 2002, could be the fact it's Vista, who knows. 

Regarding Zac's comment about receiving the notification as a business ISP that might be true - I did have some domain hosting with them at the time (no longer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received a notice of the mail server change from ATT several weeks in advance - I think one email notification 2 or 3 weeks prior and then another one. So I had plenty of notice. </p>
<p>I use Outlook 2000 and had no problems. Well, I did end up with send mail problems a week after the change and worked with ATT who said they were resetting things (?!) to my router and such which didn&#8217;t quite make sense to me. But I did end up turning off my wireless router which got things working again. </p>
<p>When I tried to change the settings on my mom&#8217;s Outlook 2002, could NOT get send mail to work. Could be Outlook 2002, could be the fact it&#8217;s Vista, who knows. </p>
<p>Regarding Zac&#8217;s comment about receiving the notification as a business ISP that might be true - I did have some domain hosting with them at the time (no longer).</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Windows mail in Windows Vista.  I made the changes to POP3 and SMTP two monts back.  No problems until Aug. 1 then the connecting time started exceeding 60 second and the sesson would time out.  I would continue and the messages may get retrieved or an error message wouls pop up.  Called tech support and was told that it must be a problem with Windows mail.  Tech support person dis not even know that there was such athing as Windows Mail!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Windows mail in Windows Vista.  I made the changes to POP3 and SMTP two monts back.  No problems until Aug. 1 then the connecting time started exceeding 60 second and the sesson would time out.  I would continue and the messages may get retrieved or an error message wouls pop up.  Called tech support and was told that it must be a problem with Windows mail.  Tech support person dis not even know that there was such athing as Windows Mail!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iuse Windows Mail in Windows Vista. I made the Pop3 and SMTP changes two monts ago.  I had no problem until July 31.  Then starting Aug 1 it started taking long time - more than 60 seconds - connecting to email and the sesson would time out and ask if I wanted to wait.  I would say yes and them it may connect or error message would pop up.  Called AT&#38;T and tech support blamed Windows Mail software!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iuse Windows Mail in Windows Vista. I made the Pop3 and SMTP changes two monts ago.  I had no problem until July 31.  Then starting Aug 1 it started taking long time - more than 60 seconds - connecting to email and the sesson would time out and ask if I wanted to wait.  I would say yes and them it may connect or error message would pop up.  Called AT&amp;T and tech support blamed Windows Mail software!</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i recieved 2 emails telling me about this.. might be in your junk..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i recieved 2 emails telling me about this.. might be in your junk..</p>
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		<title>By: steveweb</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if Zac's going to try to be helpful, the least I can do is try some of this stuff. Haven't done anything up to now because old email settings continue to work with Eudora 6.1/WinMe. On the other side of the problem, changes at Amazon have rendered my email kinda useless, so it won't matter much if I wake up one day &#38; have no email.

1st experiment:
leave everything else alone &#38; just change these in the
tools/options/getting started  menu:

pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com  --&#62;  pop.att.yahoo.com
smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com  --&#62;  smtp.att.yahoo.com

sent &#38; received a few emails from my netzero account,
so I can do this much without doing any damage.
But, this is only half of what att said to do.
A for the 'Use an encrypted connection (SSL)',
the only thing I see in Eudora 6.1 is in the
 tools/options/checking mail  menu,
where there is a field called
'Secure sockets when receiving'
that has 4 options:
1. Never
2. If Available, STARTTLS
3. Required, Alternate Port
4. Required, STARTTLS
whatever any of that means...
(It is currently set on 'If Available, STARTTLS')
There are no options to actually set any port #s.

The only thing I can see to do at this point is to hope
this solves the problem, which will be the case if att
stops sending me emails saying I ought to do something.

While looking for other solutions, I discovered IE6/Outlook can be downloaded &#38; used on machines as
old as Win98, which I did not realize. I don't want to
do this on my current machine, since there are strong
rumors that you can't get rid of IE6 once you install it,
but I could set up a second machine when I run out of
other disasters to work on.

Other discoveries while thinking about mail...
Netzero seems to be offering DSL for same price as att,
but it may be the same product with different artwork,
so no guarantee it wouldn't have the same problem.
Also stumbled across something called YPOPS, which is
supposed to be able let you access yahoo web mail as
though it were POP3, but I haven't read the fine print

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if Zac&#8217;s going to try to be helpful, the least I can do is try some of this stuff. Haven&#8217;t done anything up to now because old email settings continue to work with Eudora 6.1/WinMe. On the other side of the problem, changes at Amazon have rendered my email kinda useless, so it won&#8217;t matter much if I wake up one day &amp; have no email.</p>
<p>1st experiment:<br />
leave everything else alone &amp; just change these in the<br />
tools/options/getting started  menu:</p>
<p>pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com  &#8211;&gt;  pop.att.yahoo.com<br />
smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com  &#8211;&gt;  smtp.att.yahoo.com</p>
<p>sent &amp; received a few emails from my netzero account,<br />
so I can do this much without doing any damage.<br />
But, this is only half of what att said to do.<br />
A for the &#8216;Use an encrypted connection (SSL)&#8217;,<br />
the only thing I see in Eudora 6.1 is in the<br />
 tools/options/checking mail  menu,<br />
where there is a field called<br />
&#8216;Secure sockets when receiving&#8217;<br />
that has 4 options:<br />
1. Never<br />
2. If Available, STARTTLS<br />
3. Required, Alternate Port<br />
4. Required, STARTTLS<br />
whatever any of that means&#8230;<br />
(It is currently set on &#8216;If Available, STARTTLS&#8217;)<br />
There are no options to actually set any port #s.</p>
<p>The only thing I can see to do at this point is to hope<br />
this solves the problem, which will be the case if att<br />
stops sending me emails saying I ought to do something.</p>
<p>While looking for other solutions, I discovered IE6/Outlook can be downloaded &amp; used on machines as<br />
old as Win98, which I did not realize. I don&#8217;t want to<br />
do this on my current machine, since there are strong<br />
rumors that you can&#8217;t get rid of IE6 once you install it,<br />
but I could set up a second machine when I run out of<br />
other disasters to work on.</p>
<p>Other discoveries while thinking about mail&#8230;<br />
Netzero seems to be offering DSL for same price as att,<br />
but it may be the same product with different artwork,<br />
so no guarantee it wouldn&#8217;t have the same problem.<br />
Also stumbled across something called YPOPS, which is<br />
supposed to be able let you access yahoo web mail as<br />
though it were POP3, but I haven&#8217;t read the fine print</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.</p>
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