Comments on: Small Town vs ASCAP

By: Kevin

Kevin — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:03:02 +0000

Licensing fees are not required for any music that is used as part of a religious service. If you are singing hymns only during church services you should not have to pay ASCAP, BMI or SESAC anything.

By: Dale Bramhall

Dale Bramhall — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:26:21 +0000

Venue perspective:
A restaurant bar in Eureka Springs, Arkansas was recently “turned in” to ASCAP by a disguntled ex-employee of the hotel that hosts the venue. The ASCAP “protection racket extortion fee” for Year 2009, their first year in operation, was (arbitrarily?) assesed at over $2700. That kind of money for a 99 seat capacity venue is ridiculous. How do they determine the fee? A public municipality would pay at least $27,000 a year based on their criteria and comparison to private venues. Our city has a local park that features live music regularly, including buskers who play their own and other artists’ songs. Maybe we should call the FBI on these “freeloaders.” Put them all in jail. A quick door-to-door survey of our live music competitors-neigbor businesses was conducted by us regarding the ASCAP extortion racket. None of them are paying the fee and don’t intend to. Why would our venue deliberately put ourselves in a competitively disadvantaged position by “volunteering” to pay this fee and incurring the higher cost of doing business than our competition? Raising our prices to cover this would drive our customers to the competition. We could always cut live music from our service package. How would that help artists, arrangers and composers? We think NOT. JUST SAY NO to ASCAP.
Artist perspective:
I am one of the criminal artists who plays for this venue. I play a mix of 33% originals and 66% ‘covers.’ I used to play 50/50. I could play 100% originals. I have been writing songs for over 40 years. The reason why I commit the criminal act of playing other writers’ material during my show is customer demand. The couple who comes in for their Anniversary wants my dueling piano partner and I to play the song they fell in love to. They always get up to dance when we “fire it up.” How romantic! And in general, people like to hear songs they are familiar with in these settings. Unfamiliar music requires them to listen carefully. No one eating dinner listens with both ears while they are talking with their table
guest(s). Like the Billy Joel song says, “I never want to work that hard.” {Uh Oh, did I just commit a federal offense by quoting BJ?} In this case , working hard to listen to an unfamiliar song whenever I just want to relax and turn off my mind for a while.
As far as helping artists by “enforcing” this legal technicality that needs to be Supremely challenged), the money goes for ASCAP administrative costs. The artist never sees a dime from this ASCAP revenue stream. I recently discovered a YouTube video of a Dallas, Texas musician who was playing one of my songs in a self-produced video of a live performance in Omaha. I never gave this guy a “right of first refusal” or any kind of permission to perform my song which was a previously unrecorded work. He was passing it off as one of his songs, because he never gave me credit as the author. BMI, my songwriter licensing organization has never sent me a dime for this airplay and ASCAP/BMI has done nothing to protect me or my two composer-performer sons from multiple acts of piracy (internet digital distributon) committed against us in the last five years. If you are not a big name act with a small army of attorneys, forget it. Case in point: My twin brother as Stevie Ray Vaughan’s songwriting partner has made a significant amount of raoyalties over the years from the 13 songs he co-wrote with the late, great Mr. Vaughan. My sons and I are unknown, but write songs that are equal in artistic quality. Our reward? Continuous piracy by other performers who don’t have an original bone in their bodies. They carry concealed weapons (recorders) into the venue to steal songs from us. They contact studios who have recorded our demos and acquire copies illegally. They find studio musicians who have worked for us on demos to copy their copies. At great personal expense, our only recourse is to seek personal injury damages against these pirates. Why doesn’t ASCAP enforce these real crimes against the artist. Once I or someone I have been granted permission to record my songs, I could care less if a player played that song at a live show. In fact, I would be grateful for the free advertising and promotion.
Legal perspective:
One of the many ways I have underwritten my own career over the years was working as a paralegal. So I know more than the average bear about the law in general. As a composer, arranger and publisher (who keeps getting ripped off), I have intensely studied the federal Copyright Law. A point of legal procedure: If the issue in question here is a federal crime according to ASCAP, how can they take civil action as implied by their litigation threat? ASCAP certainly doesn’t have the legal authority to enforce a federal law. If the FBI won’t enforce this Mickey Mouse federal law, then who will. JUST SAY NO to the ASCAP RACKETTEERS.

P.S. I am sick and tired of ASCAP essentially eliminating live music in thousands of American live venues that I am qualified to work in. This has cost me a bundle in opportunity costs over the last 40 years.
Dale Bramhall

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:27:15 +0000

Our church also pays ASCAP for the right to sing hymns. Found that out recently but I didn’t follow up on it. I simply told the pastor that I thought it was a racket. He said the church could not afford to fight any legal proceedings in court.

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By: BZ4U

BZ4U — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:34:31 +0000

Yes,indeed! I agree with everyone here regarding ASCAP. I feel that this is pure EXTORTION! ASCAP has been going around and harassing my bar the last 2 years trying to collect. Well, what gets me is, I finally got tired of their harassment so I paid the fee for last year & the year before that. NOW, they are coming back still trying to collect for last year & the years before that. I am now starting to believe there is a hidden agenda scam behind all this. Why can’t the Senate do something about this? It is not fair!

By: Mark

Mark — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:13:36 +0000

Ascap have Issued legal proceedings against my Bar/Restaurant. in NY. stating I owe for past years and for ignoring their numerous attempts to open lines of communication, a law firm representing them has a number of what they consider violations, which I have no argument with. However I am still left feeling like a lot of you, that this is extortion. My fee for the upcoming year would be $1400.00. HELP

By: Chris

Chris — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:27:37 +0000

Linda, you are a dumb bitch. Our school has paid ASCAP a blanket fee each year since 1976. Why don’t you go shoot your mouth off somewhere else.

By: Bazoo Lippi

Bazoo Lippi — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:55:22 +0000

ASCAP and copyright laws are not in cahoots. ASCAP acts as a policing agent, but the REAL police do not enforce the ASCAP position. ASCAP can whine all they want, I you do not pay them, there is nothing they can do, except keep trying to collect the fees they say are theirs.

ASCAP, when businesses do pay them, return very little of the fees to the musicians, thus (almost) committing a fraudulent act on the business (breaking knee caps may be a better tactic)

Don’t pay the fees, and see what happens. My guess is NOTHING!

By: linda

linda — Tue, 08 May 2007 01:07:51 +0000

High School bands don’t pay ASCAP – shows how wrong you are